I’ve been getting some hits from people wondering how gyopo’s get by in Korea (What’s a gyopo?). I’m not a gyopo so I didn’t want to throw my hat in the ring on this one. So I did an interview with one of my gyopo friends to ask him some pretty standard questions. Jon and I both moved to Korea around the same time in 2009 and met in Suwon. He’s worked at public schools for the past 4 years and is now living in Uijeongbu with his wife and kid. I had to do some creative cutting and pasting because this was a g-chat conversation and we didn’t always respond at the right time. So understand, this is just a conversation between two friends and I’m not claiming to be unbiased or that this is an absolute view of the truth.
me: So basically, I get a few hits every couple of days from people searching for things like “Is it hard to be a gyopo in Korea?” or “Are jobs hard to find for gyopos?” You’re a gyopo, what do you think?
Jon: First, I will say that these are just my opinions based upon being in Korea for the past 4 years. There are both pros and cons to being a “gyopo” in Korea. The biggest pro would be the F-4 visa or “magic visa”. We are allowed to enjoy all the benefits of Korean citizens except some things like voting. As for being a “gyopo” and living in Korea, I think it is a wonderful thing. Being in America for all but 6 months of my life and always looking different for the most part, it is nice to blend in. We are not judged on looks like other expats for the most part.
me: So do you think it’s socially better for you as a gyopo or do you think that there are harsher expectations for you?
Jon: One of the social benefits would be everyday life. I just feel like if I were not to look like everyone else it may be a little bit different here.
me: But I think one of the things that people find hard is that they’re expected to act Korean and not American or whatever they might be. Do you find that to be the case?
Jon: Korea is still not the “melting pot” of the world in terms of different ethnicity.
me: Right. I’ve heard one of the weird things is that people don’t understand why some gyopos can’t speak fluent Korean.
Jon: Even before I came here, I was living in Orlando and there was a Korean mart owner who told me it would be very difficult for me. I think speaking Korean is the biggest con for a gyopo coming to korea. Even if you can speak Korean, our accents are different or even words they use and they will know you are a gyopo. I think there are two types of gyopos. People who have Korean parents and can speak and grew up in a Korean house but just not in Korea. For me, being adopted, it is very difficult cause I do look the part but I couldn’t speak, read or write before I came here.
me: That’s a pretty big distinction…do you know if there’s a word for the two different groups?
Jon: I don’t know if there is a category for myself but by definition I am a “gyopo”.
me: Yeah, I mean, you are. There are no fake gyopos!
Jon: Sometimes I feel like one. Especially not being fluent in Korean.
me: So do you feel that being a gyopo has some negative consequences in terms of being accepted by Koreans?
Jon: Honestly, I have been lucky. I think there are benefits to looking the part. Koreans want to learn English and my feel more comfortable being around someone that looks like them. On the flip side, I was at a coffee shop the other day with my Canadian friend and we were speaking English. This table of 6 older Koreans kept staring.
me: Haha, staring is awesome. What about jobs? Do you think that it’s easier or harder for you to get a job?
Jon: I think there are two sides to that question. If you look on craigslist for jobs, there are always GYOPO jobs.
me: Yeah, there are definitely jobs that I can’t get because I’m not a woman and I’m not a gyopo.
Jon: If you read them, they still want someone who is fluent in Korean. They also don’t have to do as much visa work and may not pay for your housing.
me: Do you think it’s a visa issue or a racial one?
Jon: I honestly think it’s a visa and convenience issue. You can maybe communicate with the students better. There are probably more financial reasons though.
me: Some of the gyopo jobs pay amazingly.
Jon: As for the public school jobs, like you mentioned in one of your posts, all the schools would want a white North American woman with blue eyes, etc…
me: I’ve seen company jobs that pay 3.6 million.
Jon: Tell me where.. hahahahahah
me: Haha, I saw a few on eslcafe and craigslist. But what do you think about living here as a gyopo? Do you find yourself wanting to identify more with Korea or do you feel like you’re always going to be American?
Jon: I am always going to be American. Especially in my way of thinking. To be honest with you, I have started to identify myself more with Koreans these days. It doesn’t hurt that I now have a Korean wife and spend lots of time with them.
me: In what ways do you identify?
Jon: My mother in law still is hilarious when she talks about “Americans”. Mostly based upon the large military presence here. Those are the times when I am happy I look like a Korean and can blend in.
me: Yeah, I can feel that. I get tired of everyone thinking I’m a rapist pedophile.
Jon: True. Lose the beard and that may change. hahahah
me: I’ve been good about keeping it off…but that’s another blog post entirely.
Jon: I think a true benefit is dating for sure.
me: Oh, Let’s hit on that in a second. Let’s go back to the job aspect. What about your relationships with your co-workers and bosses? Do you think your gyopo status has negatively or positively affected your experience?
Jon: I also identify with the Korean way of life for the most part. Especially when it comes to issues like healthcare. There are many things I do disagree with in terms of social hierarchy.
me: Yeah, that’s a big challenge for most Americans.
Jon: As for my relationship with my current boss, it is horrible. I don’t think it is because I’m Korean American but just some of the differences in our cultural thinking.
me: Yeah
Jon: I think Koreans want to adapt to the Western way of thinking but I also think it’s harder for the older generation. My previous boss was younger and more understanding. She was a little more open minded towards the fact that I am a foreigner and may have different ideas.
me: Okay, I was just wondering if you felt you received special treatment or if it was worse for you.
Jon: At school, everyone speaks to me in Korean. I am sure that if I was white, that may be a little different. On the other hand, most teachers cannot speak in English.
me: Haha, I’m white and everyone talks to me in Korean. My next job, I’m going to pretend I can’t understand them.
Jon: I don’t feel like I get special treatment because I’m a gyopo. The hiring process was difficult because they wanted a stereo typical North American. I was THEIR LAST CHOICE.
me: That’s wild. Why do you think that is? Because like we were saying, there are plenty of gyopo only jobs.
Jon: I think they believe I’m the fat fitness trainer. On the other hand, I think the students feel more comfortable and maybe motivated that I look like them and can speak English.
me: Yeah, I think that helps with the kids. It’s so bizarre that they wouldn’t give gyopos hiring preference. Especially if they’re bilingual.
Jon: After the novelty wears off, it’s about the speaking and listening. Being comfortable is also a huge thing. I cost the same amount to bring here and pay. If I had a choice between the fat trainer or the fit trainer… I would choose the fit one.
me: But if someone speaks Korean then it seems like they’d have a leg up.
Jon: True but we aren’t here to speak Korean. Even our contract say we are to speak English the whole time. They have a Korean English language specialist. They are way cheaper than a gyopo and have those benefits you just spoke of. They are the ones who will take the jobs from us.
me: So you mentioned dating. You think it’s been easier or harder for you?
Jon: I think it was easier for me. Still many Koreans can’t bring home non-Koreans. Plus they get the benefit of English.
me: That’s true. I think there will always be Koreans that are interested in an interracial relationship, but I think it’s definitely better for you being Korean.
Jon: I think with the younger generation of parents, they are more open minded these days. I think that grandparents are one of the main reasons why Koreans date Koreans. Koreans are very proud people about their family line.
me: Yeah…well, I think that’s sad…but whatever. Haha. The danger for me is having something to compare it to.
Jon: That’s another blog topic.
me: Like if that happened in America, it would be a great source of shame. Like “Oh, my grandma’s a bigot. I’m so embarrassed.”
Jon: hahaha
me: So, for the gyopos who are coming to the blog for answers, what would you say? Is it something they should be worried about or do you recommend it?
Jon: I would say that there are some prejudices still about gyopos teaching english. I feel like you may not be the school’s first choice but stick with it. If you have a phone interview then they can hear you speak and all may be fine. The other strike is just being a male here. Most school would prefer women. Either way, if you work at a public school there probably won’t be a difference in how you are treated once in the school. They students may love you because you look like them. I have had a great experience so far living and working in Korea as a whole.